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  • Elfen Lied was already translated and published in many languages like German, French, Italian, Spanish etc. but not in English. The question is why VIZ didn't pick up EL so far? VIZ is Sueisha's company. Its ridiculous to think that English volumes of EL wouldnt sell good in US, Canada or wherever or because EL is too old series. What do you personally think?

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    • I think it is a missed oppertunity but the same problem also plagues Okamoto's latest manga brynhildr in the darkness which is again available in a number of languages but not english.

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    • If it adverted with 'Proper Transliteration Included', that would be a selling point.

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    • I presume it's some sort of restriction on their end (Adults Only?). Either the US is so heavily against the kind of content in Elfen Lied that VIZ can't even be bothered to make an English version for the UK... or they just think publishing it will cause problems.

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    • I too think that the restrictions in the US in this regard must be much tighter than in many other countries. And the legal risks, or possible fines, when they are judged to have violated such US regulations, seem to be much bigger than in other countries.

      In case of Bryunhildr, a guy who posted it on YT said that he would post the latest episode of anime of Brynhildr with English sub in 7 days after it was aired in Japan and he actually did it in 4 days in many cases. And the English sub was sufficiently good in my eyes.  (yk)

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    • Actually, some states ban such content. There was a trial ten years back in Texas where a comic store owner was arrested on suspicion of selling porn to children. The fact that the hentai doujin had "ADULTS ONLY" on the cover and were in a veiled section behind a doorway that minors couldn't enter meant nothing against the prosecution's "I read Archie Comics as a boy. Archie Comics are for kids, therefore all comics are for kids, therefore any drawings of nude people are intended for kids." Since then hentai has been banned in Texas. Presumably they'll treat ecchi in the same light.

      So yeah, there are restrictions on Elfen Lied in the US.

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    • Online only? It'd be like pay-cable then.

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    • Forerunner wrote:
      Actually, some states ban such content. There was a trial ten years back in Texas where a comic store owner was arrested on suspicion of selling porn to children. The fact that the hentai doujin had "ADULTS ONLY" on the cover and were in a veiled section behind a doorway that minors couldn't enter meant nothing against the prosecution's "I read Archie Comics as a boy. Archie Comics are for kids, therefore all comics are for kids, therefore any drawings of nude people are intended for kids." Since then hentai has been banned in Texas. Presumably they'll treat ecchi in the same light.

      So yeah, there are restrictions on Elfen Lied in the US.

      ... I don't want to offend any of our Southerners here, but... yeah, it is the South we're talking about.

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    • I found the courtcase since your last comment - it was "Castillo v. Texas", 2002.

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    • Heh. Not all Archie Comics are for kids, anymore. Afterlife comes to mind.

      Aren't there even more violent and fanservice-laden manga that are sold? Berserk I think is sold in B & N.

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    • Gojirob wrote:
      Heh. Not all Archie Comics are for kids, anymore. Afterlife comes to mind.

      Aren't there even more violent and fanservice-laden manga that are sold? Berserk I think is sold in B & N.

      If Berserk out of all Mangas can be released, then by that logic anything can be published in the US...

      But as the previous case has shown, such legislations vary from state to state.

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    • I'm actually surprised Dark Horse hasn't picked up the series yet. Considering they've published series such as Hellsing and Berserk, it wouldn't be too much of a gamble for them. Of course, it also comes down to the market. If there's fan demand for a title, they would consider it, but it's been ten years now since American audiences were first introduced to Elfen Lied's anime, so the demand for it has declined rather sharply. A lot of people I've spoken to don't even know there IS a manga and the anime is their only exposure to it, and with more casual anime fans, that seems to be the case more often than not. Most people who've heard of Elfen Lied only know there's an anime, but the manga is outside of their scope of vision.

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    • Could the utterly awful artwork of the early manga have possibly played a role on it's lack of serialization?

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    • I doubt it. Though his artwork from back then is incredibly amateur level, I've read plenty of manga (shoujo ones especially) whose art styles are...well...lacking that were published by Tokyopop and the like, so it's more likely the content or the manga's obscurity condemned it. Even in Japan, the manga is lesser known than the anime. Art style isn't typically a dealbreaker for these sorts of things, and if it was, well...a lot of Western comic books wouldn't be published, that's for sure. Even Hellsing's art was absolutely atrocious to look at in its early volumes, yet it was still published without issue.

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    • SenselessPi wrote:
      I'm actually surprised Dark Horse hasn't picked up the series yet. Considering they've published series such as Hellsing and Berserk, it wouldn't be too much of a gamble for them. Of course, it also comes down to the market. If there's fan demand for a title, they would consider it, but it's been ten years now since American audiences were first introduced to Elfen Lied's anime, so the demand for it has declined rather sharply. A lot of people I've spoken to don't even know there IS a manga and the anime is their only exposure to it, and with more casual anime fans, that seems to be the case more often than not. Most people who've heard of Elfen Lied only know there's an anime, but the manga is outside of their scope of vision.

      here's why: Elfen Lied is published by Shueisha, and they own half of Viz. Also, unlike Shogakukan (the other owner of Viz), Shueisha is very exclusive towards giving their titles to Viz (Shogakukan has given some of their titles recently to Yen Press if Viz doesn't want to publish them), and if any other company tries to get a Shueisha title, Viz will step in and stop them from doing so because (in their logic) "first dibs", and if they don't want to release it themselves, too bad (this could explain why it took forever for Dark Horse to get Gantz, a similarly violent and extreme title, since every time Dark Horse talked with Shueisha, Viz steps in and prevents them from getting it). Additionally, Elfen Lied was released at a time where Viz was getting a lot of flack for censoring their manga to make them "family-friendly" (now that is no longer the case since they managed to get pretty violent fare like Terraformars and Tokyo Ghoul and just release their manga unedited). Anyways, I don't think there would be restrictions towards this one if it gets a US release since a bunch of other "extreme" manga got released here just fine (Viz would just give it an M rating)

      Also, Viz just released the Master Keaton manga (and that's more than 2 decades old) for the first time in English just last year, and prior to that, no one has heard of the series other than the 1990s TV anime, so I guess Viz could release Elfen Lied (at least digitally or in omnibus manga format), as well as Brynhildr in the Darkness (it's fresh so it seems more likely).

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    • So...basically Viz is just being a-holes about their turf, and if they don't want to publish it, then no one can.

      That's business for ya.

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    • SenselessPi wrote:
      So...basically Viz is just being a-holes about their turf, and if they don't want to publish it, then no one can.

      That's business for ya.

      Well... that sucks.

      Those damn capitalist dogs...

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    • Gotta love when certain businesses get a stranglehold on certain things.

      And by gotta love, I mean "groan and bang your head into the desk"

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    • SenselessPi wrote:
      Gotta love when certain businesses get a stranglehold on certain things.

      And by gotta love, I mean "groan and bang your head into the desk"


      Agreed. We see that often down here, and on much more serious issues like medication or food...

      No wonder my college is chock-full of "Dirty Reds". Myself (kinda) included.

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    • It's why I tend to lean toward more socialist politicians here, like presidential hopeful Sanders. Republicans like Trump run things into the ground and blame it on the poor.

      But that's politics and that's another mess in and of itself I'd rather not delve too far into.

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    • SenselessPi wrote:
      It's why I tend to lean toward more socialist politicians here, like presidential hopeful Sanders. Republicans like Trump run things into the ground and blame it on the poor.

      But that's politics and that's another mess in and of itself I'd rather not delve too far into.

      Well, I agree we shouldn't delve too much on it... Not here especially.

      But I must commend you on your choice, comrade. May we spread the Revolution aross the American continent and beyond! (just kidding, well, half-kidding)

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    • GohanLSSJ2 wrote:
      SenselessPi wrote:
      It's why I tend to lean toward more socialist politicians here, like presidential hopeful Sanders. Republicans like Trump run things into the ground and blame it on the poor.

      But that's politics and that's another mess in and of itself I'd rather not delve too far into.

      Well, I agree we shouldn't delve too much on it... Not here especially.

      But I must commend you on your choice, comrade. May we spread the Revolution aross the American continent and beyond! (just kidding, well, half-kidding)

      At YT on one video clip of Girls und Panzer, some are talking about Soviet Japan. (yk) 

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    • Since both Franken Fran and Murcielago were released in english, nothing stops Elfen Lied, since both, of the former make Berserk look like K-on in comparision (both in case of gore and nudity).

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    • Hopefully they do.

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    • Again, I take some hope that acknowledged EL elements in 'Stranger Things' might be the spark we need to trigger greater interest in the series, including maybe an English manga release.

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    • I hope so, too.

      Hell, if there are translations of the work of JUNJI ITO... There can't be a way EL isn't translated.

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    • OTOH, my worry is, EL may be like some of those arcade games that came out while one home system was declining, but the others hadn't yet ascended, and thus never got adapted to home systems, or only saw this much later. It has a reputation for violence even by anime/manga standards, while as was pointed out here, some are far stronger. It has a reputation for fetishism, but that is represented by moments in the manga, not the whole run. It is now an 'older' series, and publishers want the newest and hottest. So on and so forth, and a series that should have long been available is kept back by industry practices and bad information.

      One idea is to contact some of the big publishers and ask them to set up a kickstarter specifically for the manga release. 

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    • Good call, Rob. Maybe you guys can convince some publishers over there.

      I mean, I down heere I already purchased two volumes of the Manga in Spanish.

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    • GohanLSSJ2 wrote:
      Good call, Rob. Maybe you guys can convince some publishers over there.

      I mean, I down heere I already purchased two volumes of the Manga in Spanish.

      You mean two sets of the Manga in Spanish?  (yk)

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    • Yoshik aka yk wrote:

      GohanLSSJ2 wrote:
      Good call, Rob. Maybe you guys can convince some publishers over there.

      I mean, I down heere I already purchased two volumes of the Manga in Spanish.

      You mean two sets of the Manga in Spanish?  (yk)

      Yup. Volumes 6 & 7 in Spanish.

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    • Ok, that's what you meant. I thought you bought two full set of the manga volumes (vol 1 to 12). Does that mean that the Manga in Spanish has been published so far only up to the volume 7? Meaning the remaining 5 more volumes are yet to coming?  (yk)

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    • Yoshik aka yk wrote: Ok, that's what you meant. I thought you bought two full set of the manga volumes (vol 1 to 12). Does that mean that the Manga in Spanish has been published so far only up to the volume 7? Meaning the remaining 5 more volumes are yet to coming?  (yk)

      I'm not very sure. I think I saw up to Volume 12, but I can't be certain.

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    • I only have the full version in German from Tokyo pop, I wouldn't mind getting it also in English.

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    • For some reason I have an image of Nana and Mayu's word balloons being placed so you can't tell who is speaking. :D

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    • Hauptman wrote:
      I only have the full version in German from Tokyo pop, I wouldn't mind getting it also in English.

      I, too, want to get a full set of English comic book version, if any in future, since I do not have an access to any scanlation site. I can compare it with Japanese version only when some of you talk about it here.  (yk)

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